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Religious Leaders On City Council Split Over ‘Sanctuary City’

March 9th, 2017 · 94 Comments · City Council, News and Events

While City Council members sort through designating Bridgeport a sanctuary city that is opposed by Mayor Joe Ganim, two church leaders on the legislative body have differing views.

From CT Post reporter Brian Lockhart:

“The moral meaning of this far exceeds whether we’re going to lose some money,” said Councilman John Olson, a retired Congregational pastor. “And I don’t think we’ll lose a penny. I don’t think he (Trump) has legal grounds to do it.”

But Councilwoman Rev. Mary McBride Lee of the Pentecostal Church now opposes the sanctuary designation.

“The documented ones that are here, I’m all for that,” McBride Lee said. “The undocumented? Everyone should be here legally. Nobody wants to separate families, but you also have to abide by the law, too.”

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  • Steven Auerbach

    I agree with Rev. McBride Lee.

  • Andrew C Fardy

    I agree with Rev. Lee and I 100% disagree with the Rev. Olson who is clueless. What would Olson’s opinion be if one of his family members is killed by an illegal who has been living in a sanctuary city? Why is Olson willing to violate the law on this issue? What’s next, free all murderers after they serve 30 days?

    • Jimfox

      Ben Carson: compares slaves to immigrants coming to ‘a land of dreams and opportunity’

      Rev. Mary McBride Lee:
      “The documented ones that are here, I’m all for that,” McBride Lee said. “The undocumented? Everyone should be here legally. Nobody wants to separate families, but you also have to abide by the law, too.”

      Luke 16:13 
      No servant can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

      Luke 20:25
      He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

      • Robert Teixeira

        Jim, you can’t serve two masters of the same kind, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. God and money are masters of different kinds.

        Luke 20:25
        He said to them, “Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”

        LOSER. BAM :)

        • Jimfox

          You certainly are!

          • Robert Teixeira

            Coming from the person who said the best place for a Bridgeport casino was the old Remington site. Based on its access to the waterways, NOT, (in the middle of East Side) Train, NOT (no station yet) Highway, NOT (like the single lane East Main St. flows now).

            BAM. SUPERLOSER. :)

      • Andrew C Fardy

        Jim, give it a fucking break you sanctimonious asshole.

  • Steven Auerbach

    I do not agree with the Trump mentality that aliens go around killing people. If I were living in a welfare city where section 8 housing and dilapidated properties were the norm, Where development was 40 years behind other cities, Where waterfront development in the wealthiest county in the the United States was like pulling teeth to get developed and a city where taxpayers do not patronize new business, I would suggest we not focus on Sanctuary city status that would only benefit slumlords. We are all immigrants–we are a country of immigrants. We love immigrants and the wonderful diversity they bring to our city. We like that we have ethnic areas in the city where world travelers can go and enjoy many different cultures’ cuisines. I think the taxpayers of the city have bigger issues to focus on. The lives of these individuals are not in danger. It is not like during World War II when Jews were not allowed into the United States and sent back to their deaths in Nazi Germany’s death camps. I just believe we are surrounded by cities that have Sanctuary city status, Why test the President? Mr. Olson, Donald Trump is doing a great job according to his supporters. He has done everything he said he would do. If he says he will punish Urban centers Sanctuary status, you must believe this idiot. He means what he says. I feel bad for most individuals who voted for him. He will punish us and we are a welfare city and cannot afford to lose one dime!!!

  • Maria Pereira

    The Commissioner of DCF just testified that up to 22,000 children born into the U.S. could come under the purview of DCF should their parents be deported.

    Children are innocent. The adults made poor decisions, not them. Families shouldn’t be torn apart, and what is the cost to taxpayers if DCF has to become involved?

    Bravo to John Olson.

    • Steven Auerbach

      An extra burden to the worst school system in the state. Charter schools will be the only ticket for parents who want a good education for their children.

    • Andrew C Fardy

      Who says the kids need to stay here anyway? Let them go back to their native countries with their parents. BTW, screw Rev. Olson.

      • Marshall Marcus

        “The Commissioner of DCF just testified that up to 22,000 children born into the U.S. could come under the purview of DCF should their parents be deported.”

        Andrew C Fardy, re-read the quote. The native country of these children is the USA. That is different from the native countries of their parents.

        BTW, this does not mean I am in favor of a Sanctuary City designation.

    • Steven Auerbach

      I am not for separating families and I do not think Bridgeport needs to be worrying about these issues. Maybe we need to put Bridgeport First! All things Bridgeport! Only things that move our city forward! Period. Most of the sanctuary city supporters do not live in Bridgeport and do not pay $10,000 a year in property taxes. Those Bridgeporters would like their city services enhanced, not lessened by an additional population. Slumlords unite and fight for this status!!! That slumlord greed is what made Bridgeport into the mess it is today.

    • Joel Gonzalez

      Maria, why are you so concerned about the cost to taxpayers if DCF has to get involved? You never worried about the fact the BOE and the city has always been involved and the cost we have been paying. Immigration is a federal matter and the Federal Government’s failure to secure the borders is part of the reason Bridgeport’s school system is overcrowded with children of illegal immigrants. You’re the one who does all the research and has the best attendance on the BOE. How long if ever will the BOE call out the Federal government on this and demand they pay for the cost of educating the children of Illegal Immigrants? Seems like the BBOE was afraid of Obama and afraid of Trump.

      • Maria Pereira

        There is no such thing as an “illegal” human being. They are “undocumented,” not “illegal.”

        The BOE voted unanimously to make the BPS “Safe Haven Schools.” ICE is not allowed on school grounds without permission of the superintendent and without a warrant.

        No one who claims to be a “Christian” can take the position of ousting human beings out of this country. If you claim to be a “Christian” and support deporting the poor, those fleeing for their life, tearing apart families; I suggest you conduct some basic research about Jesus.

        • Steven Auerbach

          Let’s ask the Evangelical Christians, Trump supporters, how they feel. They wake up every day and ask what would Jesus do. They believe he would build a wall and Trump is the second coming. Bridgeport has many battles to fight. This isn’t one of them. New York and Hartford are Sanctuary cities, that’s good enough for me!

          I wonder if Maria Pereira’s landlord who pays over $8000 a year in property taxes agrees with her position. I also wonder if anyone on this blog actually took Maria’s comment on Jesus and Christianity seriously. I mean Seriously. Are you kidding? That is definitely a sociopath speaking. Honestly, I found that post hilarious. Personally, I think Jesus would want those who have more to take on the burden. Not the poor and desolate in a Welfare city with an extremely poor educational system that is already tapped out on supplying services to those who already are overtaxed. I think Branford and Madison CT would be fabulous places for Sanctuary status. Stamford and Darien as well as Redding and Wilton. I think with all the incredible development going on next door in Shelton, I think there are a few Christians living there.

          I would like Bob Walsh to advocate his hometown as a Sanctuary city. I would like to spread the love all over.

          Maria Pereira, when you have your next Bible study let us know how they feel about neighboring communities.

          • Maria Pereira

            Trump has the lowest rating of any incoming president at 42%. How you segue to Trump when my comment was regarding Christianity is beyond me.

            75% or about $180,000,000 for our public schools comes from the state or in other words wealthy municipality.

            I am not a sociopath Steve, but you are a blathering idiot who just posts anything and everything to see what sticks. You don’t post based on any research or facts; you just post what comes to mind. The problem is it is your mind I am talking about.

        • Marshall Marcus

          Maria,
          Not picking a fight with you.

          Most of those known as ‘illegal immigrants’ are NOT undocumented. They have overstayed tourist or student visas that have expired, and they remain in the USA illegally.

          This is different from those who sneak across the border without entry visas, and even many of them are not undocumented. They have passports or national identity cards from their countries of origin. They in fact lack valid entry documents from the USA.

          A better and more accurate label for those in the USA without entry visas or expired visas must be found.
          ‘Unauthorized Resident’
          ‘Trespasser’
          Maybe we can start a contest for a word that accurately describes these people and is not deemed offensive by so many.

  • Bob Walsh

    Steve Auerbach and Andy Fardy are showing their true colors. The city of Bridgeport will not and should not help ICE round up unregistered immigrants. We are seriously undermanned in our Police Department, and the BPD, even if it were up to proper levels, has more important things to do than to go looking for these immigrants.
    Even the ICE is breaking the law by identifying themselves as Police Dept.
    So Andy and Steve go back under the rock you came out of and let the city move forward as a Sanctuary City.

    • Steven Auerbach

      Bob Walsh, when you move back to the city, then speak. Until then shut the fuck up!

    • Andrew C Fardy

      First off Bob, what you write here is a figment of your liberal leanings. Let me tell you this, the Police department is overmanned now and you can’t prove otherwise. Do the research. Bob by the way where is the money going to come from to pay for these illegals? Why would I want to take away from citizens’ children and spend that money on illegals? Bob show me where ICE has stated they are the police department. You sir are an out-and-out liar. Nobody has stated the illegals would be hunted down, this is another BS statement by you. BTW Bob how would you feel if your wife or kid were killed by an illegal who was being protected in a sanctuary city?

      • Joel Gonzalez

        Here’s one interesting fact, analysis, and prediction.
        Remember when both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump came to Bridgeport? Presidential visits cost the municipality money and on both instances the B.P.D. had to pay overtime to cover the event.

        While the Donald Trump campaign reimbursed the City of Bridgeport for the cost of overtime, the Clinton campaign paid nothing.
        Now, let’s say ICE was planning to take action in Bridgeport, Connecticut. The main concern of the G2 administration seems to be the police overtime cost. What happens if ICE receives approval or an order from Trump to pay the overtime to the BPD? Officers can turn down the overtime and I believe if this happens, officers accepting O.T. will not be told where they are going to work or what’s the plan until the last minute. This is a common practice, especially when there are concerns of potential tip-off. Can this scenario play out in the future? Yes, even if it doesn’t happen in Connecticut, I know it has in many other places. The worst part of the pro-illegal immigrants folks is they are spreading false information, ideas, and concepts that don’t really help the illegals. Giving them false sense of security? Most illegals I know appreciate straight talk and I don’t have them pay me a $10 a week membership to tell it like it is.

  • Joel Gonzalez

    First of all, leave religion out of politics. I agree with Rev. Lee, however that should have been obvious to her and she shouldn’t be changing positions suddenly.

    “The moral meaning of this far exceeds whether we’re going to lose some money,” said Councilman John Olson, a retired Congregational pastor. “And I don’t think we’ll lose a penny. I don’t think he (Trump) has legal grounds to do it.”

    While Trump may not have legal grounds (emphasis on may), Trump can put the law to a test. If Trump cuts funding to the City of Bridgeport, the city can do two things: One would be to do nothing and that will cost us money which would come out of taxpayers’ pockets. Two, the city can challenge the Federal Government in court if federal funds are cut due to the City being a sanctuary city. Proving the Fed’s reason would be challenging enough and it will cost money too. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t and God can’t help us in Federal court.

  • Bob Walsh

    First of all, I am a property owner and a taxpayer in the city of Bridgeport. So I have the right to weigh in on the subject.
    Secondly, officials in California have written to ICE and asked that they remove the Police Dept from their windbreakers. And so far they have refused.
    And finally I stand by what I have said. Why don’t Joel, Andy, Steve and everyone else with this mean and punishing attitude crawl under a rock and stay there until all the undocumented immigrants go back to where they came from? Okay?

    • Andrew C Fardy

      It’s too bad you moved out of Bridgeport. I don’t care whether you still have property here or not. You certainly won’t be forced to deal with the undocumented and whatever ills they bring with them. Walsh, you are really an out-of-towner so shut the fuck up enjoy the ‘burbs and mind your own business.

    • Andrew C Fardy

      BTW out-of-town Bob, ICE is a police department, only they are federal. Coming from California the land of Fruits and Nuts, who cares?

    • Maria Pereira

      On point, Bob.

    • Joel Gonzalez

      Bob Walsh, before I decided not to continue serving on the City Council (year 2000), I had been communicating via the Internet and later by phone with a woman from San Martin, El Salvador. After about six months of ‘netship,’ I applied for a US Passport, scheduled my vacation, made hotel and car rental reservations, and bought round-trip plane tickets to and from El Salvador. Immigration rules state that in order for anyone to submit a visa for a girlfriend/future wife (I forget the term used), the couple will have to prove that they’ve met in person. We met in person and met the requirement. Having met in person, my girl could apply for a travel visa and passport at El Salvador’s US Embassy.

      I later went back to El Salvador and had a wedding there so her family, who would not be able to travel here, could see her get married and enjoy what could be the last time they’ll see her. I came back to the USA and did the fiance application and showed proof that we had met. This allowed her to travel here and since I didn’t claim her as my wife and the marriage in El Salvador. we had 90 days to get married here and the late Domingo Robles married us. It’s been fifteen years and we have two girls. I did all the paperwork myself and my wife as always was skeptical. We lived across the street from where we still live now. When we moved from across the street, I again followed the rules and informed immigration of our change of address as we were waiting for the hearing appointment date with US immigration. A little over a year passed and we didn’t receive the appointment notification. We received a letter requesting our presence in Hartford Immigration court. When my wife saw that letter, she panicked and cried for days. She accused me of messing up the application. I told her to calm down and that when we go in front of the Judge, the issue will resolved when they understand we moved and changed the address and that it was Immigration who made the mistake. My wife didn’t want to hear it and demanded I hire an attorney. To make it short, I paid a lawyer with an office across the street from the court $3,000 for a half hour of her time. I still get pissed at my wife every time we talk about that. We followed the rules and I paid the cost. A few days after I met my wife in El Salvador, we were hanging out and I asked her this: If for any reason you can’t enter the USA because we got rejected, will you go a lo mojado? She quickly replied, NO.
      That’s how I knew I had a winner. The main reason she would not do that was because she would not endanger her life and if she had children here, she could never bear being separated from them for one second. Enter at your own risk.

    • Joel Gonzalez

      Hey Bob Walsh, instead of crawling under a rock, how about if I, Andy, Steven and all who would join us, drove down to the Street where your house is; took over all the street parking, and set up camp on your property. I’d bring my Speedy costume to stay warm and entertain the kids; Musica Ranchera and Mariachis to entertain the adults and the neighbors. When the Police arrive, we’ll lie and say we have permission from the owner, he has no problem with people trespassing on his property, and anyone with the word “Police” on their uniform or cars have no authority to ask us to leave or arrest us. I’m not being an asshole, Chief Armando Perez, but you can contact the owner Mr. Bob Walsh and have him come over to explain all this to you. In the meantime, have a Corona if you’d like, this may take a long time, there are lots of people who feel the way Bob Walsh does.

  • Donald Day

    I ask the Religious Leaders on the City Council, What would Jesus Do?

  • Ron Mackey

    Remember, Jesus was an immigrant and homeless, and people didn’t want him staying in their city.

  • Robert Teixeira

    This problem isn’t hard to fix, but it seems nobody want to fix it.

    1. Stop undocumented immigrants from crossing the border. Deport anyone trying to cross the border immediately. Stop catch and release thinking they will show up for their court day. SMH.

    2. Parents who have children born in the US are given legal status, not American citizenship.

    3. Business should be fined for having undocumented workers. Let’s face it, it is part of their fault, as well as the government. When I say government, I mean by allowing businesses to hire undocumented workers and having sanctuary cities.

    4. Undocumented immigrants who been here for many years with roots in the US but don’t have any US children should be given legal status to stay in America but not citizenship.

    5. Three strike rule for legal status immigrants with no US children. If a legal status immigrant gets three felonies they should be deported, or any serious crimes.

    6. Set up a strong worker’s verification for business. Three strike rule for businesses, close any businesses caught using undocumented workers three times.

    Sanctuary cities don’t protect the undocumented. (If you’re not trying to provide them with documents, you’re not really helping or trying to solve a problem, but you’re prolonging it, encouraging it, keeping them in the shadows of exploitation.) It keeps their status, keeps them being exploited by businesses. Sanctuary cities don’t solve the problem and that’s the problem, not solving the problem.

    Maria, you and the BBOE want this country to be generous in its resources and give safe haven in our schools to the undocumented. Yet you and the BBoE want after-school programs to pay rent for the use of government buildings. Where is the BBoE generosity?

    You’re right, there are no such thing as an illegal humans, just undocumented. Just like there is not a true public education, just education. (Charter Schools, BAM :) ).

    Bob, you own property, would you allow anyone to break in on your property and take up residence without your permission? BAM :)

    Steve KISS BAM :)

    Joel, America is a nation of immigrants, unless you’re an Indian you’re an immigrant, and according to Chris Rock there are only three real Indians.
    www .youtube.com/watch?v=AQRTirco4Mg BAM :)

    Frank, NY Times, Fake News BAM :)

    Fardy, BAM :) (Is that short enough?)

    Day, Jesus say not everyone will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Matthew 7 “21 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’” BAM :)

    • Maria Pereira

      Rob, you don’t know what you are talking about and the response is too lengthy to post.

      Just know the 21st Century Grant has an allocation for lease costs, utilities, supplies, etc.

      There are MANY political hacks embedded in this grant.

      • Robert Teixeira

        Maria, you’re starting to write like me. BAM :)

        “Rob, you don’t know what you are talking about and the response is too lengthy to post.” BAM :)

      • Robert Teixeira

        1. What does the 21st Century Grant have to do with the current Immigration crisis, where businesses and employers are exploiting undocumented immigrants in complicity with the government and those political hacks for their inaction to bring them out of the shadow of exploitation and give them legal documents instead of proclaiming sanctuary cities for them that really don’t provide any protection from ICE. BAM :)

        2. Does it matter what’s in the 21 Century Grant or what political hacks put in it, based on your position on sanctuary cities to defy federal immigration laws over state laws? I say the City Council declares BBoE a 21st Century Grant sanctuary board. BAM :)

  • Robert Teixeira

    Ron, Jesus was not a immigrant, he was a fugitive. BAM :)

    Immigrant. Come to live permanently in a foreign country.

    Fugitive. A person who has escaped from a place or is in hiding, especially to avoid arrest or persecution.

  • Mojo

    Sanctuary city effects can be a two-edged sword in this day and age. What would be the plus or minus sides that would follow this decision other than “the right thing to do” from a humanitarian’s viewpoint! Not willing to assist the Feds in immigrant round-ups, illegals feeling more comfortable with the local police and the city possibly losing funds and support from the Feds in general. Is it a form of invitation to other illegals to come to Bpt??? *** Time would tell, no doubt! ***

    • Robert Teixeira

      Mojo, every sword has a two-sided edge. One’s just sharper than the other. The city loses more than the undocumented immigrants gain. Bam :)

  • Frank Gyure

    I will have to admit I have mixed feelings about the entire issue of sanctuary cities in general and Bridgeport as a sanctuary city itself. I do not have mixed feelings about the behavior Of the Public Safety Committee that met very briefly last night with the issue of Sanctuary City as one of the items on their agenda. Either they were not prepared or they were prepared to do nothing. This goes back to good governance. I have not heard too many comments about this perspective.

  • Tom White

    Steve, you are beginning to sound like a Republican! Now go to St. Andrew’s for confession and for your penance say a sincere act of contrition and two Hail Marys. And don’t eat meat during Lent or you will go to hell.

    Maria, ‘illegal alien’ is a harsh, unfriendly term, but it is the accurate designation for someone who is in our country illegally.

    Joel, so is your wife an American citizen now?

    • Joel Gonzalez

      Yes, she is, Tom White. She delayed that process (applying for citizenship) for about five years. I had to demand that she do it, gave her the $800 application fee. All I asked of her was to make sure she always votes.

  • Robert Teixeira

    Tom,
    1. Steve’s Jewish, I think. BAM :)

    2. Maria, harsh and unfriendly, never; she’s fact based. BAM :)

    Alien: belonging to a foreign country or nation. Tell that to ET. BAM :)

    www .youtube.com/watch?v=6xZif3WmG7I

    3. Joel, cCongratulations. BAM :)

  • Ron Mackey

    Biblical References to Immigrants and Refugees

    The following passages from the Bible refer to immigrants and refugees. All quotations are from the New Revised Standard Version.

    Genesis 3:22-24 – Adam and Eve are forced out of the Garden.
    Genesis 7 and 8 – Noah builds an ark and takes refuge from the flood.
    Genesis 12:1 – The call of Abram: “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.”
    Genesis 12:10 – “Now there was a famine in the land. So Abram went down to Egypt to reside there as an alien, for the famine was severe in the land.”
    Genesis 19 – Lot takes his family and flees Sodom.
    Genesis 23 – Abraham is a stranger and an alien in the land of Canaan.
    Genesis 46:1-7 – Jacob moves his family to Egypt to escape the famine and reunite with Joseph.
    Genesis 47: 1-6 – Joseph brings his brothers to Pharaoh and they are welcomed and given jobs.
    Exodus 1:8-14 – Joseph’s generation is gone, and the Egyptians oppress the Israelites. “Therefore they set taskmasters over them to oppress them with forced labor.”
    Exodus 1:15-2:10 – Pharaoh orders all the Hebrew boy babies to be killed, but Moses is hidden and is saved by Pharaoh’s daughter.
    Exodus 12:37-39 – The Israelites were driven out of Egypt so fast they had no time to make provisions and had to bake unleavened cakes of bread.
    Exodus 12:49 and Leviticus 24:22 – “There shall be one law for the native and for the alien who resides among you.”
    Exodus 22:21 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”
    Leviticus 19:9-10 and 23:22 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not strip your vineyards bare … leave them for the poor and the alien.”
    Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”
    Leviticus 24:23 – Moses receives God’s law: “With me you are but aliens and tenants.”
    Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “… you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.”
    Numbers 35 and Joshua 20 – The Lord instructs Moses to give cities of refuge to the Levites so that when the Israelites must flee into Canaan they may have cities of refuge given to them.
    Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien.”
    Deuteronomy 6:10-13 – The people of Israel are made aware that the land had come to them as a gift from God and they were to remember that they were once aliens.
    Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God … loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”
    Deuteronomy 14:28-29 and 26:12-13 – Tithing was begun, in part, for resident aliens.
    Deuteronomy 24:14 - “You shall not withhold the wages of poor and needy laborers, whether other Israelites or aliens who reside in your land …”
    Deuteronomy 24:17-18 – “You shall not deprive a resident alien … of justice.”
    Deuteronomy 24:19-22 – Leave sheaf, olives, grapes for the alien.
    Deuteronomy 26:5 – A wandering Aramean was my ancestor …
    Deuteronomy 27:19 – “Cursed be anyone who deprives the alien … of justice.”
    I Chronicles 22:1-2 – Aliens were important in building the temple.
    I Chronicles 29:14-15 – David praises God: “We are aliens and transients before you …”
    II Chronicles 2:17-18 – Solomon took a census of all the aliens and assigned them work.

    • Andrew C Fardy

      Ron, give it a break. Religion should not enter into this if it does here is one you missed. Andy 43 Take care of your own and send the rest home.

    • Robert Teixeira

      The Five Books of the Torah

      Genesis
      1. Genesis 3:22-24 – Adam and Eve are forced out of the Garden. God Exiled Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. BAM :)

      2. Genesis 7 and 8 – Noah builds an ark and takes refuge from the flood. God destroyed the world killing everybody by flood, tells Noah to builds boats. Relocation. BAM :)

      3. Genesis 12:1 – The call of Abram: “Go from your country and your kindred and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.” God tells Abram to leave his country and force out people in other lands. Invader. BAM :)

      4. Genesis 12:10 – “Now there was a famine in the land. So Abram went down to Egypt to reside there as an alien, for the famine was severe in the land.” Refugee or invader. Push. Bam :)

      5. Genesis 19 – Lot takes his family and flees Sodom. God destroyed Sodom. Relocation. Bam :)

      6. Genesis 23 – Abraham is a stranger and an alien in the land of Canaan. God gives land of Canaan to Abraham where indigenous people reside. Conquer. Bam :)

      7. Genesis 46:1-7 – Jacob moves his family to Egypt to escape the famine and reunite with Joseph. Joseph’s brothers plotted to kill him but sold him into slavery. Bam :)

      8.Genesis 47:1-6 – Joseph brings his brothers to Pharaoh and they are welcomed and given jobs. Joseph brings his brothers to the Pharaoh and says these are my brothers who were going to kill me but instead they sold me into slavery, You have any work for them? Bam :) Seriously? :)

      Exodus
      9. Exodus 1:8-14 – Joseph’’s generation is gone, and the Egyptians oppress the Israelites. “Therefore they set taskmasters over them to oppress them with forced labor.” The work Joseph asked the Pharaoh turned in to oppression and slavery. BAM :) That doesn’t turn into oppression. Seriously. :)

      10. Exodus 1:15-2:10 – Pharaoh orders all the Hebrew boy babies to be killed, but Moses is hidden and is saved by Pharaoh’s daughter. The welcomed Pharaoh who gave Israelites jobs then turned those jobs in slavery are now going to kill all the Hebrew boys, but Moses is hidden and is saved by Pharaoh’s daughter. Fugitive/Adoption. BAM :)

      11. Exodus 12:37-39 – The Israelites were driven out of Egypt so fast they had no time to make provisions and had to bake unleavened cakes of bread. Escaping. BAM :)

      12. Exodus 12:49 and Leviticus 24:22 – “There shall be one law for the native and for the alien who resides among you.” Neither Immigrant nor Refugee, law. Bam :)

      13. Exodus 22:21 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”

      Leviticus 19:9-10 and 23:22 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not strip your vineyards bare … leave them for the poor and the alien.”

      Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

      Leviticus 24:23 – Moses receives God’s law: “With me you are but aliens and tenants.” Separation of church in state, US immigration laws. BAM :)

      Numbers
      14. Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “… you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.” US laws. Federal trumps state laws. BAM :)

      15. Numbers 35 and Joshua 20 – The Lord instructs Moses to give cities of refuge to the Levites so that when the Israelites must flee into Canaan they may have cities of refuge given to them. I don’t think the Israelites are fleeing into Canaan but invading and taken the land from the Natives of Canaan. BAM :)

      Deuteronomy
      16. Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien. US laws. BAM :)

      17. Deuteronomy 6:10-13 – The people of Israel are made aware that the land had come to them as a gift from God and they were to remember that they were once aliens. Israel was aliens until they took the land from the natives, after they took the land they were no longer aliens but natives. Then the made the native aliens. BAM :)

      18. Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God … loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.” They were not strangers in the land of Egypt. They were workers, turned into slaves. BAM :)

      19. Deuteronomy 14:28-29 and 26:12-13 – Tithing was begun, in part, for resident aliens. America gives aid to 96% of the countries of the world in the $40 billions yearly. BAM :)

      20. Deuteronomy 24:14 – “You shall not withhold the wages of poor and needy laborers, whether other Israelites or aliens who reside in your land …” Undocumented immigrants wages are lower and being exploited. Apparently political hacks want to keep it that way by way of sanctuary cities, instead of giving them legal documents. BAM :)

      21. Deuteronomy 24:17-18 – “You shall not deprive a resident alien … of justice.” US laws. BAM :)

      22. Deuteronomy 24:19-22 – Leave sheaf, olives, grapes for the alien. Give aliens very little, exploitation. BAM :)

      23. Deuteronomy 26:5 – A wandering Aramean was my ancestor … Lost, GPS. BAM :)

      24. Deuteronomy 27:19 – “Cursed be anyone who deprives the alien … of justice.” US Immigration laws. BAM :)

      25. I Chronicles 22:1-2 – Aliens were important in building the temple. Slavery, you know that dark history of America. BAM :)

      26. I Chronicles 29:14-15 – David praises God: “We are aliens and transients before you …” Transient: a person who is staying or working in a place for only a short time. Deportation OR legal status. BAM :)

      27. II Chronicles 2:17-18 – Solomon took a census of all the aliens and assigned them work. Before or after their transients? BAM :) That was the Old Testament, now for the New Testament with Jesus the fugitive. :)

      1. BAM :)

    • Joel Gonzalez

      Damn Ron, you spent all day and night going through the scriptures.

  • Andrew C Fardy

    I find your religious postings insulting, give it a break.

  • Andrew C Fardy

    Your first amendment rights are not being infringed upon, you idiot. You are getting to say what you want just as I do by stating I don’t like your posts. Nowhere in the first amendment does it say people have to agree with what you say. I don’t agree.

    • Robert Teixeira

      “Listen asshole, enough is enough …” I find your insult kinda insulting. BAM :)
      www .youtube.com/watch?v=AAAca108HfU

      • Andrew C Fardy

        You find my insults kind of insulting? Really. That is an intelligent finding.

        • Robert Teixeira

          No not really, I’m not that intelligent. Calling someone an “asshole” because you don’t agree to what they posted is not a hard finding. I wish I were intelligent enough to learn why you insulted me by calling me an “asshole” because of a religious post.

    • Ron Mackey

      Andy, on this point I agree with you.

      • Robert Teixeira

        Ron what point, that he finds your post insulting? :)

        • Ron Mackey

          Andrew C Fardy // Mar 11, 2017 at 12:19 pm
          Nowhere in the first amendment does it say people have to agree with what you say. I don’t agree.

          • Robert Teixeira

            That statement is true, but that was not his point. His point regarding that statement was he was not infringing on my First Amendment rights. But he was when he asked me to stop my posts because he found our religious posts insulting.

          • Andrew C Fardy

            Ron, are you kidding me, show me in the first amendment where it says we all have to agree with what is said by anyone. Ron, that’s bullshit and you know it.

          • Andrew C Fardy

            Here is the first amendment. Read it then re-read it and if you don’t understand it ask Teixeira.

          • Robert Teixeira

            How did I come out as the WINNER? :) See Ron, that’s what you get for agreeing with Andy.

  • Andrew C Fardy

    Cut & paste, did they teach you that at the hospital?

    • Robert Teixeira

      NO. The hospital taught me something else.

    • Andrew C Fardy

      The First Amendment guarantees freedoms concerning religion, expression, assembly, and the right to petition. It forbids Congress from both promoting one religion over others and also restricting an individual’s religious practices. It guarantees freedom of expression by prohibiting Congress from restricting the press or the rights of individuals to speak freely. It also guarantees the right of citizens to assemble peaceably and to petition their government.

  • Andrew C Fardy

    Ron, here is an African group that played with Paul Simon in Africa. I sent it to you because the music’s great.

  • Steven Auerbach

    OMG!!!!!!!!!

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